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TITLE: The Difference Between Men and Boys
AUTHOR: SelDear
SUMMARY: There's a lot of difference between fifteen and fifty.
SPOILERS: Fragile Balance
RATING: PG
AUTHOR'S NOTES: Various people have commented on the inappropriateness of middle-aged Jack in a teenaged body perving on teenaged girls. It sparked some thoughts about how, even in a fifteen year-old's body, Young Jack's still going to have the mind of an adult man - and that's going to be manifestly incompatible with the teenage minds of his 'peers' at school.

The Difference Between Men and Boys

When you're fifteen, you're just looking for a pretty girl. Someone to listen to you, admire you, adore you, and to get into bed.

When you're pushing fifty, your priorities are very different.

Which is why I rather hate what's been done to me.

I'm a fifty-year-old in a fifteen year old's body. Do you know the kind of paradoxes that makes?

Do you know how guilty you feel for looking at your thirty-something teacher and thinking that she's really quite beautiful if a little young for your tastes?

And hell, my body's only fifteen years old!

*His* body's fifty years old, which means aches and pains and knee reconstructions, looking forward to old age and all the attendant infirmities. Peachy.

Hmm, I should ask the Doc if the memory fails because of time, or because of the physical body. If it's because of time, then I'll be senile at thirty-something. What a cheerful thought.

The real down-side to this whole cloned-body experience is that the females I find myself looking at twice are women, not girls.

I never realised how inane girl-talk is the first time around. Probably because my libido was too busy paying attention to their youthful figures and pretty faces to really pay attention to what they were saying. And while it wasn't *quite* as crass as thinking that women wouldn't have anything worth listening to anyway, it probably came pretty close.

At a mental age of fifty, and after six years serving beside a very intelligent, personable woman, I know better. I'm no longer looking for a pretty face and a beautiful body - I'm looking for a woman who'll titillate my mind and not just my senses.

Unfortunately, the kind of woman who'd do that for me is at least twenty years my senior in body, and isn't looking for a teenaged boy as a partner - either sexually or emotionally.

It didn't seem so bad to begin with. Until I realised that my checking out the girls in my class actually classifies as perversion. Hell, I'm an mature man in a young man's body. While it might seem acceptable to the world for a fifteen year old guy to check out fifteen year old girls, it's definitely a no-no for a fifty year old guy.

And what am I but fifty in a fifteen-casing?

The Air Force is taking care of me. They gave me a name and a background - I'm still Jack O'Neill, but a very distant relative to *Colonel* Jack O'Neill of the Air Force. I'm a child prodigy of sorts, which means they've got me in Advanced classes. In a year or two, they'll 'enroll' me in the officer program and start using all that knowledge I gained the first time around for the second time.

Hopefully this time I won't get stuck in Iraq for four months. Once was more than enough, thanks.

Anyway, in the two years of the interim, I'm stuck here in classes, reminded of why I didn't take the academic path the first time around.

Classes on stuff we'll never use are boring.

And it's only the start of the year.

The present class is math and there's a lazy haze over the room. Partly because we're doing calculus and partly because it's an unseasonally warm autumn afternoon.

I'm staring at two lines full of x's and y's, and I'm apparently supposed to use the two lines to somehow get the value of y.

There aren't even any astrophysicists handy to explain it to me in terms of apples and oranges...

Someone remind me why I need this again?

That's right, I didn't do the education thing the first time around.

Not that I really want to do it the *second* time around.

But hey, maybe at the end of it, I might have just a slightly better clue about what Carter and Daniel were always talking about, even if *he* doesn't.

Man, that's weird. Thinking about myself in the third person. Because he is me. Kinda. Sorta. We were the same person, and now we're not. Everything changes from here.

The class is boring, but I get the equations done. It's all that military discipline - the kind of stuff that you don't have when you're fifteen but acquire along the way to fifty. The understanding that life is not all about you and it won't always be easy.

Still...I'm sure I remember my first youth being a lot more interesting than this...

My name is Jack O'Neill and this is my life.

At least, it's my life for the next two years - until the interesting stuff begins.

Class finishes and we head out to lunch. My friends - or at least the 'crew' I 'hang out' with - meet me in the cafeteria. One thing that hasn't changed over thirty years, and doesn't change from military installation to public school system: cafeteria food.

The kids I sit with aren't the most fascinating gang in the universe. They don't know there's a war taking place over their heads, most of them don't realise how many times they've come close to extinction. Their chatter is totally trivial and very specific to their age group.

The worst thing? That there isn't a single person in the world who understands where I'm at. Not the kids I'm sitting with, not the teachers who lecture me, not the General who told me that I could re-join the Air Force Academy once I turned eighteen, not even the man whose memories I share up to two weeks ago.

It's a lonely feeling.

"...blitzed the math problem the teacher set up on the board - and then began setting up *another* equation that stumped old Nick!"

"She'll probably end up in the chess club," dismissed one of the girls.

"I dunno, she may very well end up in the cheer squad," smirked a boy. "She's all leg."

"Deep, Tom," someone else says. "Real deep."

"Hey, that's her now!"

Heads turns out of curiosity, and I'm one of them. Anything new is to be appreciated around here - I mean, the next sixty years is going to be a case of 'been there done...'

Holy *shit*.

They were right. She's all leg.

Even at fifteen, she's all leg.

A fifteen year old's body with a thirty-something year old's mind.

Hey, it's not perfect, but to a fifty year old in a fifteen year old body, it's better than a fifteen year old in a fifteen year old body.

She catches my eye and stalks past. The expression is one I recognise only too well in spite of the unaccustomed youthfulness of the face it's coming from - she's pissed at me.

I'm not even aware I've picked up my lunch to follow her until I'm sitting opposite her, knowing that the kids I left are smirking and gossiping among themselves.

I dump the tray and sit down without an invitation. "Jack O'Neill. And you are...?" I know who she is, I just don't quite know how this is going to work out.

"Sam Carter."

"Still going by 'Sam'?"

"I'm certainly not going to answer to 'Samantha'," she retorts.

"Would you answer to 'Carter'?"

"Only if you're going to answer to 'sir'."

"I guess it would look a little weird?"

"Gee, do you think so?"

"What's with the mouth, Carter?" Oops. Habit. "Sam."

"You're not my commanding officer anymore. I no longer have to say 'with all due respect'."

"And here was me hoping that a little of the respect would carry on..."

She softens, just a touch. "Well, maybe a little. Six years of habit are hard to overcome."

"That's all it was? Habit?"

"Maybe." The look I get is fit to level Stargates. Whatever's brought her here didn't make her happy.

"When did you...come about? Did you find yourself wandering around thinking you were her, too?"

Her cheeks go abruptly pink. "Thor figured you could do with some company."

"*Thor* figured?"

"I figured."

"*You* figured?"

"She figured. After the Colonel - you - came back after dropping you off here. He said you were eyeing the girls, and she thought that was pretty disgusting since you're...technically older. And somehow Thor got the idea that you'd like...company."

And she was made to be my company.

Huh. Adam and Adam's rib.

Carter was never one to take 'being the woman' lying down. Or standing up. Or in any position except fighting mad.

"And you don't mind?"

Her head snaps up, "Of *course* I mind, sir!" She snaps, still too soft for the kids at the next table to hear, but with enough venom in it to let me know that she holds me responsible for it - given that Thor and Loki are not within reach and I am.

Lucky me. It's that first year when she was trying to prove herself to me all over again.

"Hey, I didn't ask for this, Carter." My natural ebullience is carrying me through - and this life won't be so bad as long as there's someone else who understands. "I didn't ask either for this or for you. It just happened."

She rolls her eyes. "I know you didn't ask for it. But I'm still mad, and you're the closest person I can blame."

The boy I'd been at fifteen would take that entirely the wrong way. The man I am at fifty knows it's a normal human reaction. And she's still human, for all her brains.

"I hear you solved the advanced Math problem in class." Maybe a change of topic will get her in a better mood.

"Basic calculus."

"Not so basic to me," I retort, stung by her nonchalance. "I skipped the path you and Daniel took the first time around for a reason!" It's good to see that although our appearances might be different, our way of relating is still pretty much the same. Back off, keep your distance, stay aloof. That'll have to change. I hold my temper - an easier thing at fifty than at fifteen. "Look, Carter. We're stuck in the same position here. Old minds, young bodies." And all the paradoxes that come with it.

"I didn't ask for this!" Careful, Maj... Car... Sam, that sounds like a whinge.

"I didn't either. But you're here and I'm here. Don't you think we should call a truce? Make the most of it?"

She looks up from the shambles of her lunch, and I nearly forget to breathe.

Why did I never before notice how devastating her glance from under lowered lashes could be?

Maybe I was too busy concentrating on not noticing?

"Is that an invitation, *Jack*?"

Mouth dry, heart racing, blank mind...

Yup, I remember this feeling from fifteen.

"Maybe, *Sam*," I tell her. "If you're going to take it up."

The smile she gives me is faintly wicked. The side of Sam Carter I rarely saw - she was too busy being an Air Force Major.

We're not Colonel and Major anymore. Well, we are, and we aren't. And it's going to be an interesting two years, that's for sure.

And now I have someone to share it with.

Of course, we're still going to be carrying the same old baggage as our 'original' versions do, emotional and mental. Things will not be easy from the start. But, what can I say? I'm a big softy at heart.

At fifteen, I'd have been more interested in Carter's looks than her mind.

At fifty, I know that looks will fade - my own didn't hang on that long - and that only the mind lasts. And, boy, what a mind!

And that's the difference between men and boys.

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And now I'm off to the gym!
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[User Picture]From: [info]aj
2003-06-23 04:49 pm (UTC)

*SQUEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!*

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::pouncehugtackles the Sel::

Okay, for the next half hour, you are officially my favorite person on the planet. I've *so* wanted someone to write something similar to this but kinda held my tongue on the subject, but you went and WROTE IT!

::dances rather pleasedly and shoves yummy, gooey, no-calorie cookies at Sel::

You ROCK!/b>
[User Picture]From: [info]seldear
2003-06-23 06:15 pm (UTC)

Re: *SQUEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!*

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::pouncehugtackles the Sel::

Eep!

I'm glad you like it so enthusiastically... :)

::dances rather pleasedly and shoves yummy, gooey, no-calorie cookies at Sel::

No-calorie cookies? Where's the fun in that? Sugar, sugar, sugar, fat, chocolaaaaate...

(Hey, I just got back from the gym, so I can technically eat anything!)
From: [info]nicolevc
2003-06-23 05:15 pm (UTC)

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i knew there was something about the ep that didnt sit right with me :) and thats what it was!

great story sel minisam was a great idea :D
[User Picture]From: [info]seldear
2003-06-23 06:16 pm (UTC)

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great story sel minisam was a great idea :D

Hehe. I really don't know where she turned up! One minute, I'm writing about Young Jack's ennui with his life, the next minute Young Sam is walking across the cafeteria, pissed as all hells...

Damn characters...
From: [info]nicolevc
2003-06-24 10:24 am (UTC)

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how rude of her...the least she could have done was call in advance!

still an excellent touch though!

btw...with both of them being non-legal this would lead to even more ust! mwaha
[User Picture]From: [info]seldear
2003-06-24 03:58 pm (UTC)

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Ah yes, but non-legal is a matter of a year or two of waiting.

And are we going by mental age or physical age?
[User Picture]From: [info]roseredathena
2003-06-23 05:20 pm (UTC)

Big grins! Big Grins!!

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Yay! Wow! Woohoo!

Not pervy at all! Spectacular, more like. Woohoo!
Especially liked the reaction of Mini!Carter. Re-introduced the whole 'life got stolen from me' part of the story the ep didn't really delve into. Great! Just great!
[User Picture]From: [info]seldear
2003-06-23 06:20 pm (UTC)

Re: Big grins! Big Grins!!

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Re-introduced the whole 'life got stolen from me' part of the story the ep didn't really delve into.

I don't think the whole 'life got stolen from me' riff would have been so bad for Young!Jack. After all, he had all this knowledge from the first time around and a young body in which to try everything out. Then he had a whole world to explore, an Air Force to go and ruffle up, and first-hand knowledge of the Stargate and SGC.

Robot!Jack didn't have any of that - he couldn't leave his planet for very long, he might live forever but he wouldn't have anything familiar, and at that stage, Jack had a lot of issues that still needed working out. In the six years since, Jack's sorted a lot of them out, so it's just the whole "nobody understands me" vibe that he has going.

Brings a whole new meaning to 'teenage angst'!
[User Picture]From: [info]alliesings
2003-06-23 05:29 pm (UTC)

ThankYouThankYOUTHANKYOU

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It's great, Sel. I spent a lot of time this afternoon, trying to figure out a good reason for Thor to clone Sam, but you are so right. The best reason is just so they can be together :)
[User Picture]From: [info]seldear
2003-06-23 06:21 pm (UTC)

Re: ThankYouThankYOUTHANKYOU

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The best reason is just so they can be together :)

LOL. That wasn't actually the idea, although I guess it comes across that way...

Now Young!Sam wants her side of the story told.
[User Picture]From: [info]roseredathena
2003-06-23 06:43 pm (UTC)

Re: ThankYouThankYOUTHANKYOU

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Now Young!Sam wants her side of the story told.

ooh!
[User Picture]From: [info]seldear
2003-06-23 08:30 pm (UTC)

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ooh!

Actually, I think it's rather more 'argh'. In my case, anyway...
[User Picture]From: [info]alliesings
2003-06-23 07:10 pm (UTC)

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LOL. That wasn't actually the idea, although I guess it comes across that way...

Well, like I said, I spent a long time working on this whole big outline and my mind was already there.

Now Young!Sam wants her side of the story told.

I saw that. I thought it was really interesting the way Sam was really upset. I agree that that aspect of the story could have been played up a lot more. Now, you have a Sam to do that.
[User Picture]From: [info]aj
2003-06-23 07:35 pm (UTC)

*squeal!*

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I will.... do *something* for you if you write that! She needs her say!

And my desire to see the Further Adventures of Chibi!Jack and Chibi!Sam have absolutely nothing to do with that. Really. I promise.

::uncrosses her fingers::
[User Picture]From: [info]seldear
2003-06-23 08:32 pm (UTC)

Re: *squeal!*

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And my desire to see the Further Adventures of Chibi!Jack and Chibi!Sam have absolutely nothing to do with that. Really. I promise

::snorts::
[User Picture]From: [info]chiroho
2003-06-23 08:07 pm (UTC)

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Brilliant! The way that you start by describing young!Jack's thoughts is great. I think that he really *would* find 15 y/o girls an utter drag!

And then to have a cloned Sam arrive to "share" the time with him, is just awesome! Absolutely amazing stuff! And she's pissed at him! Even better!

I would love to read a sequel from Sam's POV. And I'd also love to see them a couple of years down the track. Would they be dating? Would they be fed up with each other? How would it work out?

Great stuff Sel. Just great!
[User Picture]From: [info]seldear
2003-06-23 08:33 pm (UTC)

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I would love to read a sequel from Sam's POV. And I'd also love to see them a couple of years down the track.

You'll get at least the sequel, but don't hold your breath for anything more. I'm gonna leave that to the imagination!
[User Picture]From: [info]chiroho
2003-06-23 08:45 pm (UTC)

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Look forward to the sequel at least then, anyway! :D
[User Picture]From: [info]lanna_kitty
2003-06-23 08:12 pm (UTC)

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*worship*
I love it! it was screaming to be done and it's been done so well!
and there must be some sequel-age and...just....*squeeeeeeeee*
I love it! wow! *worships more*
*bounces off happily*
[User Picture]From: [info]seldear
2003-06-23 08:43 pm (UTC)

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I guess you liked it then. :)
From: [info]njgoddess
2003-06-23 09:09 pm (UTC)

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::happy sigh::

That was great. And the preverbial question: Sequel!? :D
[User Picture]From: [info]seldear
2003-06-23 09:42 pm (UTC)

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Dunno about a sequel - maybe a prequel... "What happened when Young!Sam woke up..."
From: [info]njgoddess
2003-06-23 09:44 pm (UTC)

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Dunno about a sequel - maybe a prequel... "What happened when Young!Sam woke up..."

Ooh even better. (Though I am a sucker for sequels *vbeg*)
[User Picture]From: [info]seldear
2003-06-23 09:53 pm (UTC)

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(Though I am a sucker for sequels *vbeg*)

Truly? I'd never have guessed...

::runs away very very fast::
From: [info]njgoddess
2003-06-23 09:59 pm (UTC)

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Truly? I'd never have guessed...

::runs away very very fast::


::smirk::
[User Picture]From: [info]samkicksass
2003-06-23 09:16 pm (UTC)

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Soooo glad you wrote this. So glad. Thank you.

BTW - Jack is 47. In Brief Candle he said he was 40, then Hammond mentions in Fragile Balance that Jack has regressed over 30 years to the age of 15. This is my anal thing for the day.

Thanks again for writing this. Woo Hoo!
[User Picture]From: [info]seldear
2003-06-23 09:36 pm (UTC)

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BTW - Jack is 47

Yeah, I know. It's just easier to say 'fifty' than 'forty-seven' each time...
[User Picture]From: [info]wiliqueen
2003-06-24 05:41 am (UTC)

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Plus I've always thought there's a possiblity he was rounding in "Brief Candle." Not that he was in any mood to simplify it for Kynthia's sake (or that the concept would be any less overwhelming to her because of it), but the rhythm of "I am forty...YEARS!" has always sounded like slightly more than just emphasis to me.

It would fit in with other examples of RDA's sense of humor/irony for Jack to have that teeny little bit of unexpected vanity jump out on autopilot when he's dealing with a woman for whom any number he tosses at her is going to be equally incomprehensible.
[User Picture]From: [info]samkicksass
2003-06-24 06:38 am (UTC)

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Very smart. I actually thought of that after I sent it.

Still a great fic!!!
[User Picture]From: [info]davebt
2003-06-23 09:30 pm (UTC)

Re: fic: The Difference between Men and Boys

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"*Thor* figured?"

"I figured."

"*You* figured?"


Very, very cool [info]seldear great writing I esp like the emphases on the aforemention paragraph. {g}
[User Picture]From: [info]seldear
2003-06-23 09:39 pm (UTC)

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Thanks! :)
From: [info]gunfodder
2003-06-24 05:19 am (UTC)

hee hee...

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This is really great! I love the idea - even though I still haven't actually seen the ep!

Go Sel!
[User Picture]From: [info]seldear
2003-06-24 06:42 am (UTC)

Re: hee hee...

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even though I still haven't actually seen the ep!

I thought you'd gotten the tape and was going to watch it at lunch...
From: [info]gunfodder
2003-06-24 07:00 am (UTC)

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I thought you'd gotten the tape and was going to watch it at lunch...

all the conference rooms were booked :( Have to wait till I get home...
[User Picture]From: [info]wiliqueen
2003-06-24 05:42 am (UTC)

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*happy-bouncy dance, joins in the Chorus O' Squeeeeeeee!*
[User Picture]From: [info]newromantics
2003-06-24 05:53 am (UTC)

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I'd bounce too, but I'd probably damage myself!

Will you settle for a congratulatory handshake and certificate for 'coolest fic'?
[User Picture]From: [info]mrv3000
2003-06-24 07:19 am (UTC)

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Aww - if only Sam/Thor would do that. Then little Jack would have someone to relate to.

It's a lonely feeling.

I think you really captured that - made me very sad for the "real" little Jack. *sniff*

But making a mini!Sam was very cute. :) Glad you made her pissed off about it. I think you're going to have to write Jack & Sam: The Early Years now. ;)
[User Picture]From: [info]terehwhope
2003-06-24 08:20 am (UTC)

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So, you gonna make this a series? Do one from mini-Sam's perspective? ;)

Follow them through college and the AF Academy?

Please?
[User Picture]From: [info]seldear
2003-06-24 04:13 pm (UTC)

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One more from Sam's POV, but none after that.

C'mon peoples, I have other stories to write!
[User Picture]From: [info]kismatt
2003-06-24 08:40 am (UTC)

whoooooooohoooooooo

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That was great!

:::gets down on creaking knees and begs:::

More, please? ;-) Like someone said....now we need to see what they're like a few years down the road!
[User Picture]From: [info]lydkami
2003-06-24 02:26 pm (UTC)

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hey!

nice nice nice! :) good story, really makes the end of FB more 'real' and not so much of 'they did put up that 'cause they didn't have any idea how to end it' :-p

so thanks :) and as it had been said...a sequel would be very nice! :)
[User Picture]From: [info]lytarules
2003-06-28 08:56 pm (UTC)

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I must admit, I breathed a sigh of relief when I read this. I felt the instant the credits started to roll that this one needed an episode tag.

So, I know it's been said, but thank you, thank you, thank you!

Your stories are always a pleasure to read.
[User Picture]From: [info]seldear
2003-06-29 05:22 am (UTC)

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Your stories are always a pleasure to read.

Oh, now that's high praise!

::frames it in gold and hangs it up on her wall::
[User Picture]From: [info]woodface
2003-09-28 05:23 am (UTC)

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Hee! Great! They really should have given him a companion! Poor Jack! Thanks for writing this!
[User Picture]From: [info]audrich
2005-01-11 01:58 pm (UTC)

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Thank you for the link from miniOTP.
Your stories are always a pleasure to read.
I always wondered who the genius was that started the mini!OTP and now I know - I *should* have known really *g*

The self examination of Jack at the beginning was masterly - the tension between the two teenagers was tight.

And it's going to be an interesting two years, that's for sure.
Oh yasureitis!

Thank you again for the link.

PS The next scene is where she pulls him by his sweater over the cafeteria table and discarded lunch trays and snogs the very tongue from his throat, yes? ::::::::::::::::::::::::runs
*vbg*
[User Picture]From: [info]seldear
2005-01-12 04:46 am (UTC)

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The next scene is where she pulls him by his sweater over the cafeteria table and discarded lunch trays and snogs the very tongue from his throat, yes?

Um...possibly. *g* Will keep it in mind.